2019, June 1st, Woerden NL 77-55-ND

Today I needed the space in my garage, and I washed and waxed the DS cabrio afterwards. Then I took a fresh box of cigars and took the old lady for a ride through the countryside. And, at a quiet place, I took some photos,both with thehood up as down. The weather was fine and it was an enjoyable ride!

I think it will be time to start a new project, since the DS cabrio is in perfect shape, not everything iun the interior is perfect yet, but maybe I should leave that for a new owner… The engine runs well, both on LPG and Euro gas. Shiufteing is well, steering, light, everything is OK. And the airco also runs smooth.

Upholstery

One of the more delicate jobs to be done, will be the upholstery. Since parts from an Audi 80 a Volvo C70 and a Citroën DS are used, this will be a job for a specialist. In this post I will share the developments on this topic.

The Beginning

Rear bech, from an old Audi80 convertible. Made to fit the length of the Citroën.
The front of the car’s inside, with the elecrically controlled front seats from a Volvo C70 (1st version)

The following parts need new upholstery or new skin, for which I requested a quotation from a local supplier March 2019:

Front chairs upholstery,

Rear bench upholstery,

Side panels front doors upholstery,

Side panels rear bench upholstery,

Floor carpets front and rear including upholstery front under the dash,

Longerons upholstery,

Boot lid inside upholstery,

Front hood inside upholstery;

Boot side and bottom carpeting,

Roof top cover including rear window,

Front window top inside upholstery,

Front window side A pillar cover,

B pillar cover inside,

Roof lid top cover.

 

 

 

Specs Citroën ID/DS 1970

This post descibes the basic specifications of my 1970 Citroën ID/DS 19…

Engine: DY, 4 aluminum pistons, aluminum cilinder head with 2 valves per cilinder, 1 camshaft with pushrods, distribution chain directly driven from crankshaft to camshaft, mechanical oilpump & fuelpump. Internal oilfilter. Carburetted with a 2-stage Solex carburettor. Displacement almost 2000 Cm3. Liquid-cooled and a mechanically driven waterpump.

LPG installation, injected in the airstream on top of the carburettor.

Power brakes with front discs and rear drums.

Airco with old school aircopump.

Mechanically driven hydraulic pump, hydraulically controlled brakes and -suspension with gas-filled dampers.

Power steering.

Decoloured windows (not yellow but blue).

Rear windows: New glass, straight to fit the Citroën, Electrically mechanics from Audi80 but flattened, no longer curved up/down (sideways).

Front chairs: Electrically controlled C70 chairs (Phase 1)

Rear bench: Audi 80, made to fit.

Roof: Approx. 20 cm lengthened Audi 80 roof, approx. 8 cm widened in the center.

 

Comparing with other ID/DS cabrio’s

Very early and rare Citroën ID Palm Beach convertible, used as example for the conversion..
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Driving the DS convertible September, 2018

Yesterday , 27th of September 2018, it was again a beautiful day so I took the DS out for a drive through the Dutch countryside.  Hood down, windows down and a temperature of around 20 degrees Centigrade. Not too bad alltogether, I just lit a cigar, switched on the LPG and drove away.  The car moves elegantly, the 5th gear also works very well and everything is working fine. Tested the airconditioning and this also worked fine.  I also took a couple of pictures:  Maybe I will not sell the car after all……

I still need to have the carpeting installed and have the seats upholstered with black leather…  And have the roof finalized by a specialist, will get to all of this later!

Audi 80 manual roof top built into my Citroën ID20 convertible

Although Oord did provide a fabric roof to the car at delivery, I decided to put a more practical , in my view better matching to the car, fabric hood in.  So, after the basics of the conversion was done, I took the car home and built my version of a collapsible roof and fabric hood into the car.  (The uderneath picture shows the Audi80 hood frame and hood placed in the car, and the newly developed flattened boot lid )

My original thought has always been to get a good looking convertible, and the combination of the big sized ID/DS, joined with the roof from another big sized car, the early Audi 80 convertible,  was my vision on how to do this.

In the below presented movie you will see our process of adapting the Audi 80 cabrio hood frame into the Citroën ID/DS convertible.

The Audi roof frame had to be widened and lengthened to match the windows front and side of the car. Also, the boot lid has been completely rebuilt and an additional water drainage has been custom made between roof lid and boot lid. And- of course the rear windows has been remade. (The underneath picture shows the temporary perspex window that was later replaced by special glass windows).

Overall, the width at the positioning in the rear space of the hood lid is exactly the right size.

Throughout the lenght of the hood frame coverage it showed a considerable misfit to the ID/DS. The misfit has been compensated in the hood frame by making it a little less than 1 inch (2cm) narrower at the rear and almost 2 inches (4cm) wider at the front.  The correction was at a maximum near the B-pillar where the ID/DS roof (and windows) is 3 inch wider at both sides of the car (8cm Left and Right).

Also, the length of the hood frame was dynamically increased at the front with slider rails by 30cm in total (12 inch).

When the body of the car was converted, a lot had to be pulled out and lowered, widened and so on.

After that, the roof and rear of the car had to be redesigned to make it look better than the Oord’s original big bobble in the rear trunk cover.  See the below pictures as taken in the beginning of 2016 when the car was delivered to me by Oord DS cabrio. The roof got delivered by Oord DS cabrio as a DIY package of steel rods and parts of the original roof around the windows top and some nuts and bolts.  The fabric roof was to be rolled on and off over the steel roof rods and be connected to the front window and top of the side window railings.  I found it quite time consuming to put it up, and even more to get it down again.  I also wanted to lower the rear trunk lid, and get rid of the big ‘bobble’.  So, I searched for a mechanical roof top with fram and window mechanisms, and all of the corresponding interior parts.  A Saab 900 would have been the ideal option, but these were very hard to obtain.  I ended up with an Audi 80 roof top/frame and bought the rest on Ebay.

After that,  it was mainly a lot of time and patience to get it all to fit and look the way I wanted it to look.

It is intended to look a lot like an early Palm Beach convertible, except the nose of the car which will remain the original phase 3 nose. (Picture beginning of 2018)

The boot lid is flattened and is placed in full width between the rear fenders, like the Palm Beach version.  The front chairs are now from an early Volvo C70, for comfort reasons.  The headrest is perfect and the chairs fit perfectly into the car.  The fitting of the new chairs is done in such a way that the Citroën’s original chairs still fit in its original position without any mechanical problem.

Because of the new fitting of the Audi80 roof top, in the rear of the car no original Citroën bench will ever fit anymore.  Same goes for the rear side panels.  Therefore, the original Audi80 rear positioned bench and side panels are made to fit the car.

The A and B-pillars were also strengthened and the former hood panel at the former C-pillars was lowered to make space for the new roof, to fit it in folded position. The top part of the B-pillars is removed completely and the front- and rear windows are positioned 4 mm from each other.

The rear window mechanism is completely removed and the Audi 80 window mechanism is rebuilt to fit a flat window. A sub-frame was placed and was later made removable.

The rear windows have been renewed with securit glass, custom made windows in the original windows colour. Picture below is during the building phase, still without the connecting alu/rubber h-shaped profile…

And after the sprayjob was done ( with black 2K spraypaint)

Next and last to be done will be:

1) Get the interior parts like the chairs + rear bench and all side covers newly covered with black leather..

2) Also, the roof lid  (with the chrome edge) will be adapted to the vintage looks of the car, and will be covered with  a leather cover including original chromed ‘buttons’, like the ‘Palm Beach’ version

3) The original OEM-made carpets all around the car , also in the boot, will finally be placed.

More photos to come!

Basic rebuilding my Citroën DS Berline 2007-2014

In this movie the period is shown after the purchase of my ID/DS (1970 make) in Amstelveen, 2007, from a young guy that has just been driving the car without performing any maintenance. The car has been daily driven by him, and was always parked outside, in the street.  In the following years the car was brought back into shape.  No part kept untouched. Mechnically, drivetrain, hydraulics, electrically, suspension, exhaust, plating, roof,  body structure, you name it.

Next episode: Citroën DS Cabrio conversion 2016 @ Oord_DS_Cabrio

Citroën DS Cabrio conversion 2016 @ Oord_DS_Cabrio

The conversion to convertible, including making it all legal was done in 2015/2016 by an experienced licensed chassis-builder, Oord DS Cabrio, in Heerenveen, the Netherlands.  ( The underneath picture shows the car upon delivery at Oord DS cabrio beginning of 2016, before I took it home for a complete makeover of the top cover and boot lid )

Strengthening the base of the car is not only necessary, it is also a requirement to get an adapted car registration at the Dutch  ministry of traffic ‘RDW’.

The longerons at both inner and outer positions, as well as all connecting carrying parts were strengthened according to an original plan, as deposited by Oord DS Cabrio.

The fact that the car was in bad shape before this was all done, made it a much tougher job to perform. The bottom and internal structured plating of the car has been completely rebuilt on both sides with 2 mm special plate, that can withstand the car’s movements and bending.
Also, the convertible was built into a 2-doors version with standard lenght front doors, the same length as the  original Berline version. This door length was also used in the early ID Palm Beach convertibles.
The car has also gone through a special proofing process to get the correct papers to comply with the Dutch motorvehicle law/ legislations.

 

Oord also provides a basic fabric rooftop, as a sort of add-on.  The idea here is that you will never use the car’s hood, since it is an open car.  But- I really wanted a convertible with a roof that I can easily get up and down.  That became the next episode of my long-term adventure…